Toyota to launch new Supra and MR2

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Toyota must have realized that their cars were pretty boring, so the Japanese company is set to release a few hybrid sports cars. There will be two coming with names that should sound pretty familiar to car lovers. The first will be the MR2 and the second will be the fabulous Supra .

The MR2 should be here around 2013 and it will feature a hybrid 1.5-liter petrol engine. The car was originally going to get a V6 hybrid, but after the strong sales of the Honda CR-Z , Toyota has decided a four pot was the better option.

The Supra was thought to be dead, but the strong sales of hybrid cars have brought it back again. The new Supra will be powered by a V6 hybrid motor, similar to the FT-HS concept on which the car is based. Of course this is not exactly a new piece of news considering we caught wind of this vision back in 2008 , but now it seems that the vision has progressed to a full blown project in the new Supra.

Hit the jump for the full story including what may be interesting competition for the MR2 and Supra.

Source: Autocar

These models come in the wake of the FT-86 delay, which is now scheduled for 2013 as well.

Toyota’s hybrid sports cars will face some serious competition, as Honda, Nissan, and Mitsubishi are planning hybrid sports cars of their own.

Nissan’s sports hybrid will use the Leaf for key mechanical and design elements. The car will also use a few cues from the Landglider, but it probably won’t be able to lean into corners. The car is due to launch in 2014.

Mitsubishi is working on a two-door sports version of the i-MiEV, which is due to launch in 2012. The company is also planning a hybrid version of the Evo .

The only Japanese company that hasn’t joined the pack is Mazda . The new MX-5 is set to launch in 2012, but it will most likely get a four-cylinder motor or the new SkyG engine.


34 comments:

Heavier yes, but not sure that you are right about the cost. An existing V8, like the 2UR-GSE would be less expensive to build than the 1LR-GUE in the LFA. The only extra cost would be the twinturbo setup. And brute force from the twinturbos were the trademark of the Supra MK4, not high revs.

The V10 was tuned to 620 bhp for the race version that Toyota used to win back-to-back class victories at the Nurburgring 24 hours. That is the engine that should be used, not a V8, as all of Toyota’s existing V8 engines are both less powerful and heavier, and engineering twin-turbochargers for it would add to the development costs. The powertrain I suggested would consist entirely of existing parts.

What 620 bhp V10? The Nurnbergring edition only pushes the power to 570. Are you planing to add a supercharger? That would easily push the power past 600 hp as well as give it extra torque.
Personally i really like the idea of a twinturbo V8, with lots of torque and hp, all within the limit of 7000 rpm.

I just had an idea as to how Toyota could cost-efficiently release a Supra without competing with the LFA:

Toyota should take a super-stiffened widebody FT-86, modify the front end to facilitate the shoehorning-in of the 620 bhp V10 from the racing LFA mated to the 6spd Getrag manual from the MKIV Supra, give it a hard, Nurburgring-tuned racing suspension, throw a huge wing on the back and call it a Supra. They should also remove the rear seats and eliminate such frills as automatic climate control, power windows/door locks, power-folding mirrors, leather seats, ect. While these are no doubt nice amenities, they only add weight and cost, and let’s face it: a lack of heated power seats isn’t going to be a deal-breaker for anyone buying supercar.

Also, I think that Toyota should re-gear the 6spd Getrag transmission and sacrifice the LFA’s sophisticated automatic and 202 mph top speed for a more involving conventional manual and a quicker 0-60 time, because while paddle-shift automatics may be the newest craze, when push comes to shove nothing beats a good old fashioned manual in a performance car, and while increased acceleration would be useful in track situations, on no track is any owner ever going to push the LFA to its 202 mph top speed. A Supra with 0-60 acceleration in the mid-2 second range and a 155 mph top speed would be much better-suited for track duty.

Marketing the Supra as a street-legal race car and the LFA as an ultra GT car would prevent self-competition as well as help Toyota to balance the millions that went into the development of the LFA V10. Seeing as the majority of the parts that this new Supra would require for production have already been engineered, development costs would be low, and so long as Toyota doesn’t gussy-it up with luxury features, I bet they could sell this Supra for under $100k, which if you adjust for inflation is cheaper than the MKIV Supra was when equipped with the full line of TRD upgrades.

I wonder why the chose a V10. Was it the link to F1? Why not a V12? Might be heavier and require more space, but has better natural balance.

I agree that Toyota should have continued the Supra into the LFA, and I was hoping that they would sell the LFA under the Supra name. But we can’t have both at once, and the LFA is the one we got.

Fact it, the previous management at TMC has a lot to answer for. They had one main objective and that was to beat GM in volumes. In doing so, they eased back on quality and dropped cars like the Celica and Supra in order to focus on mainstream models like the Corolla and Camry. Nissan stayed in the sportcar game, while Toyota dropped out. That is why they today have to start from square one. What they should have done was to upgrade the Supra back in 2002. Not only would the Supra name still be alive, but they would have saved a lot of developement costs and time on the LF-A, which then may have been called Supra today.

Didn’t the FT-HS become the FT-86 already? Redo the looks of the LF-A to be rounder and smoother looking and drop in the IS-F motor would be an awesome Supra replacement. They can use the IS platform and save a ton of cash. The hybrid version can run the system currently on the GS-400H. Don’t need to wait til 2013, unless they want to use next gen IS backbones(which will be even better)

@SF695, the modification capability of the Supra was indeed one of its selling points, but even in stock form it held the Nurburgring record for nearly a decade, and a revived model would have to do that again. I agree that the spirit of the cars is what’s important in regards to the Celica and MR2, but the Supra was such an incredible vehicle that if redone the new model would need to be perfect in every way, as was its predecessor. As I said, if Toyota were to release a new MKV Supra, its toughest competition would be the achievements of the MKIV, and as such I don’t see Toyota releasing it, because in comparison to the MKIV if there is a single record the new MKV Supra doesn’t hold, it would be a failure.

They may be a million miles from where Toyota is, but you can’t tell where the want to be. Akio Toyoda being a petrolhead is a good think in my opinion. The previous management was all about volumes and profit, even sacrificing some of the legendary quality that has been Toyota’s trademark. Beating GM of the top had first priority. Wrong priority in my opinion. I hope now, that in the future we will see of that quality return, as well as more interesting cars, regardless if they are called Toyota or Lexus or they are called Supra, Celica, 2000GT or something else. It’s the spirit of those cars i’m looking for. The Lexus LFA and IS-F are a step in the right direction. Now, let’s see some more of that. Doesn’t have to be all that hitech. Doesn’t have to have 8 gears. A manual 6 speed transmission will serve me just fine.

Pretty cool! Aside from supra there will also be a MR2. It seems a double up and I think Toyota are having some plan, well am not sure if this will be going to be effective, perhaps I guess this will be a suicide.

I’ll believe it when I see it. These cars are a million miles away from where Toyota want to be right now, and even the much fancied FT 86 will be delayed. All of these prototypes are the plaything of Mr Toyoda who is a petrol head who seems a bit frustrated and has an army of engineers at his disposal to build him whatever he likes. I hope they come because Toyota have a credible history of making good, fun and reliable sporty cars, and we did take to them.

I would settle for a turbocharged 500 hp stock unit, that could be chipped. The strenct of the Supra was not so much it’s stock output, althoug 330 hp was no small number in those days, but it’s ability to withstand higher poweroutputs. 500 would be less than the LFA’s 560.

The GT-Four would make a better competitor for the GT-R than a Supra because the GT-R doesn’t hold as elite of a place in the market as the Skyline did. The R34 Skyline was the second fastest track car in the world when new, and if it hadn’t been for the Supra’s fabulous 6spd Getrag transmission, the Skyline may well have been the fastest. The GT-R of today, however, doesn’t come that close to any record. The Supra/Skyline were elite supercars; the GT-R is not so much a supercar as a high-end sports car, as was the Celica GT-Four. And just because the Celica GT-Four had a 4-cylinder doesn’t mean a reborn version wouldn’t make a great GT-R competitor; that’s like saying the Gallardo and 458 Italia aren’t competitors because one has a V10 and the other a V8.

The MKIV Supra is the greatest all-around performance machine ever built, and unless the new model will be the world’s fastest track car as it once was, it shouldn’t be released. I’m all for building a Supra that’s faster than the LFA, but I just don’t see it happening. If Toyota were to release a new MKV Supra, its toughest competition would be the achievements of the MKIV.

The Nissan GT-R is a successor or rather an evulution of the Nissan Skyline GT-R, that popularely is compared to the MK4 Supra. As such, you could argue, that a revived Supra would be compared to the GT-R. Ok, so the GT-R has AWD. The Supra had RWD. The Celica GT4 had AWD, but it never had a 6 cylinder engine, like the Supra/Skyline/GT-R. The 2000GT got part of it’s name from the size of it’s 2000 ccm engine. If it was to compete with the GT-R today, it would have to be called the something else like 3500GT if given the 2GR-FSTE(hypotethical twinturbo version of the 2GR-FSE)

If Toyota was to release an affordable Supra that was faster than the LFA, that would be awesome... I just don’t see that happening, and seeing as the MKIV was the fastest track car in the world and in my opinion the greatest sports car ever built, a vehicle that was anything less would be unworthy of the Supra name.

Unless Toyota is willing to produce a cheaper car that is faster than their own LFA, they need to discontinue the LFA before making another Supra. If they want a GT car, bring back the 2000GT. If they want a GT-R competitor, bring back the Celica GT-Four. If they want a world-beater faster than their own LFA, then bring back the Supra.

Sure, the MK4 was fast, but it was just as much a muscle car as a Ferrari competing super car. Japanese muscle car if you prefer, since american muscle cars normally have a V8. And like the Corvette, it was affortable for us normal people. The LFA, that you see as it’s successor is not. Neither is anything in the Ferrari lineup, that you compare the MK4 with. At least i don’t see the LFA as a muscle car, nor as the fastest of the supercars. I see it as the perfect harmonic supercar, where everything works together to lift it up to a higher unit. It’s fast, yet not extreme, but harmonic and technically advanced. As such, i don’t see why it absolutely has to be the fastest in the Toyota/Lexus lineup. It’s objective is to be the most advanced, not necessarily the fastest.

Calling the GT-R a competitor is a disgrace to the Supra name in that the GT-R is not the world’s fastest car; the MKIV Supra was, as is the LFA now (by "world’s fastest car" I mean in terms of Nurburgring times). The Supra never competed with the Corvette... while comparisons between it and the ZR1 were numerous due the price similarity, the lap times were never even close. The MKIV Supra was a Ferrari/Porsche/McLaren killer, and launching it to compete with the Vette would destroy all that the MKIV Supra stood for in the automotive world.

Turbocharging the IS-F’s V8 as you suggested would result in power competitive with the LFA’s. While I agree with you that a hybrid powertrain would be utterly unfitting for a Supra, I can’t say the same for a 100% electric vehicle. There are only two ways that Toyota could release a new Supra alongside the LFA while retaining the Supra’s legendary reputation—either make it faster than the LFA, which isn’t going to happen, or make the Supra the world’s fastest electric car. Like it or not, electric automobiles are the way of the future. Seeing as the Supra was one of the most technologically advanced cars of the ’90s both mechanically and cosmetically, an electric powertrain with a lightweight, flingable chassis to make the world’s fastest gas-free car would be the only option for a new Supra that could remain in keeping with the world-beating speed and forward-thinking technology that made the MKIV Supra so iconic.

I don’t remember seeing anywhere that anyone at Toyota said that. 2 years ago they said when asked about the MK5 Supra that there was no plan for any 2 doors sport coupe. That is not the same as to say that there never will be made plans in that direction. Remember that they got a new management. Akio Toyoda is a known sportcar entusiast. The LFA will be competing with Ferrari and Porche. A new Supra could be competing with the Corvette. Put the V8 from Lexus IS-F in it, with twinturbos.
Regarding the GT-R, it’s a great car. If anything is a discrase to the Supra name, it’s the word hybrid.

Yes, Toyota has stated that there will never be another Supra. And launching a Supra as a GT-R competitor would be a disgrace to the Supra name; the TRD Supra MKIV was the Nurburgring record holder for a production car in its day (7:39), and the LFA is the current fastest Nurburgring car. The Supra held the all-time records for skidpad, slalom and Nurburgring from 1994 to 2002, and the only way that Toyota could achieve that again is by competing with their own LFA. As I said, the Supra is dead; the LFA has taken its place.

If Toyota wants a GT-R competitor, they should build a twin-turbo V6 version of the FT-86 and call it the Celica GT-Four.

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