Chevrolet Camaro will not be catalogated as a muscle car

Listening to Mark LaNeve, GM-North America’s vice president of sales and marketing, we found out that the new Chevrolet Camaro will not be catalogated as a muscle car. Although the car will feature a V-8 engine we cannot say that is an eco-friendly vehicle due to the CO2 emissions of the big power plant.

Beside the V-8, the car will also receive a V-6 engine which will be able to offer greater fuel economy, more exactly 28 miles per gallon. “The mainstream positioning will be fuel economy, design and a V-6.” told Mark LaNeve to the press.

Although everybody knows the Camaro as a high speed muscle car, GM wants to change this and transform the car in an eco-friendly sporty ride. When it will be launched, GM will highlight some of the car features like: handling, bold styling and fuel economy. The new Camaro will also enter the “Gas-Friendly, Gas-Free” campaign, which promotes technologies like ethanol-powered engines.

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  (233) posted on 05.8.2008

to be honest lol idk... i logged in just as normal but it didn’t leave it under my name so i was like whatever lol...

and yea i wouldn’t even think about putting a LS2 against a inline 6 for the reason of how much power those things can handle in the engine.

a normal stock vette not even Z06 against a GTR... that’d be a joke

the GTR would finish a half mile b4 it finished a quarter...exagerating a bit for those who dont know...

no offense to muscle cars bc i am a fan of them but just saying

AK47  (1024) posted on 05.8.2008

And the 350Z is a tourer, not even a performance car.

Good one about the GTO LS2 though, although I would advise the drivers with highly modified GTO’s not to try and outrun those inline sixes made by the Japanese.

AK47  (6023) posted on 05.7.2008

good point...

however i dont consider the mustang a respectable muscle car either...its a lowsy 4.6 liter SOHC v-8 with only 300bhp

not very impressive considering the 350Z makes that hp and its a DOHC 3.5 liter v-6... but then again thats why i’m a fan of DOHC instead of a lowsy SOHC especially in an engine with no modifications

yea the evo runs at the same price and will beat it but i’m talking about more superior muscle cars with better engines.. for example GTO with the LS2. but regardless of that it comes down to preference.

AK47  (1024) posted on 05.7.2008

The Lancer by the way is just another midship sedan, the Lancer Evolution is the racing version.

And yeah, we have turbos but you have extra cylinders. Yeah we have intercoolers but then the four cylinders are doing the work of your eight cylinders.And weight reduction- every car does that in almost any race. I don’t think you will find weight reduced cars on the streets though because that means they are basiaclly stripped of all luxury. If that was the case, I’d be driving a sixties mustang, in which case the only luxury is the seats.

And put 400hp on an EVO an it will outrun any of your mustangs delivering a quarter of hp more than that of the EVO. Hell, the FQ 400 will be posing a serious threat against the new ZR1. The 1/4 mile and 0to60 of both cars is about the same.

And yeah, you can throw prochargers on GTO’s but you won’t get the best performance unless you do the cam timing and all the minor stuff, which will cost a fair bit. And most of these four cylinders go aroud the same price of normal mustangs.

AK47  (233) posted on 04.21.2008

yea i’m not argueing that a GTO or any v-8 will beat a evo around a track by any means but most races on the street are just straight lines no more than a half mile or so...well at least here in america but yes the evo or most other tuners would win around the track... i’m not argueing that.

however you still have turbos... weight reduction... performance intake and variable valve timing on those cars and you cant compare a 4 cylinder with all those parts to a v-8 with nothing on it... i’m comparing the engines themself. not the car with all the parts...

but yes in a track around the race a tuner will win b/c of better handling and its ability to keep its speed up through turns which most cheaper muscle cars cannot.

i’m basing the races on street races but in a track race the evo or subaru or almost any tuner will win against a v-8..

good point AK we were comparing different races

AK47  (1024) posted on 04.20.2008

And if you really wanna race, put a 272hp EVO against your 300hp mustang and take them on the Nurburgring track and see what car wins.

AK47  (1024) posted on 04.20.2008

Whoa! hate to bust your bubble there sparky. I never said anything about the EVO being stock or tuned. The FQ variants are tuned but the EVO VII is not. By the way tuning does not mean tinkering with the engine, it also means using weight saving parts. And who said anything about money? You want to race a four cylinder against a GTO, put the same amount of hp in the four cylinder, moron.
A pregnant V8 will win a 1/4 mile race more often than not but it can hardly be classified as a real race, since the steering wheel might not even be there. A real race would be around a proper racetrack where handling and everything is taken into account. I’ve seen how well your V8s perform on real racetracks.

One last thing, the EVO delivers close to 200hp without the turbos and that is on a 2L engine. Your V8s deliver high hps on stock but thats with large displacements.

AK47  (233) posted on 04.1.2008

the evo 7 that you speak of... though stock... is still tuned dumbass... it has a turbo and intercooler... yes it is stock but it is still tuned... the 4 cylinder by itself only produces around 160- maybe 180 hp... like i said if you wanna compare tuned cars then tune a v-8 and tune a 4 cylinder and see which one is faster...put a gto against that lancer and see what happens... oh and that would be a stock GTO... if you wanna tune your cars up throw a procharger on the GTO and still watch who wins... you cant compare a factory tuned lancer to a stock with no aftermarket GTO or mustang or anything for that matter...

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

Congratulations to the guy who said that jtm made a good arguement- you have taken his place as the site imbecile.
The British guy was right, jtm jumps from one point to the other. You are the one who jumped to conclusions without being aware of what was going on. jtm’s arguement are about as inconsistent as they get.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

You guys are filling out the typical stereotype of jap lovers online. JTM makes an argument against you and you don’t actually listen to the argument but jump to conclusions that he does not have a car (Yes! Maybe that will hurt him!). You don’t need a car to prove that you guys don’t know what your talking about, that’s easy enough. This whole argument is frivolous and always boils down to name calling and saying what car you own (because you must know what your talking about if you own the car).

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

Four cylinder diesel guy, don’t pay any attention to jtm. Like someone said I don’t think he owns a car. Be happy with what you have. Nowadays diesel cars are packing quite a punch.This seems to be your first time on this site. Go check out some news.This site also has some great car pictures.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

Madcow, we are just having some fun, mate.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

jtm0711, hp isn’t everything in a car, but I don’t think you will understand that.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

The world’s fastest Lotus has a 1.8L, Toyota 2ZZ GE( its on this site). True, it was modified by British tuners but the fact remains that it is a japanese engine. You cant tune any engine because it needs to be able to handle the extra juice. The engine provides 198hp/L.If the Brit don’t have a problem with tuning Japanese engines, whats yours?(to the person with the comment about the FQ)

There are no racists here, except perhaps the person who was kind enough to remind us about the FQ 400.

Anyone can tune any decent engine, there are no particular laws against that.. But you can’t tune a car without the base engine MORON, which again , was Japanese made.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

jtm0711 u always insult 4 cylinder cars, callin them weed hackers and four bangers then you say they great cars? just so u kno, the Evo 7 stock version has 272 bph and it destroyed a modena and a porche.

u are a wuss. i dont have a fancy car but iam damn proud of the four cylinder diesel that i hav.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

Some people don’t know when to quit.jtm0711, I don’t think you have a car, so stop your arguement. I have a Z06 and m proud of it.I also have a 2004 350Z. Both my cars go well and i have no shame in admitting that i once lost to a WRX in my Z06. i also beat another 350Z with my Z06. It seems that jtm0711 is always ready to start an arguement. Stop it please, you are giving muscle car owners a bad name with your squabbling.You first seemed to be positively against four cylinders, then you said they were decent engines.. You will make a very bad judge.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

Some people don’t know when to quit.jtm0711, I don’t think you have a car, so stop your arguement. I have a Z06 and m proud of it.I also have a 2004 350Z. Both my cars go well and i have no shame in admitting that i once lost to a WRX in my Z06. i also beat another 350Z with my Z06. It seems that jtm0711 is always ready to start an arguement. Stop it please, you are giving muscle car owners a bad name with your squabbling.You first seemed to be positively against four cylinders, then you said they were decent engines.. You will make a very bad judge.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.25.2008

The point that none of you muscle idiots notice is that four cylinders can hold their own against other cars. jtm0711, you jump from one point to the other.You were wrong about the supercharger so you just jumped to the bit about V8s in drags. You couldn’t say anything about AK’s WRC bit so you went back to talking about power and had another idiot agree with you. You were also wrong about rotary engines and you skipped it.

Im British and am really not into either Japanese or American cars. All I have is a luxury sedan that Im content with.Heres an idea- read everything very carefully, understand it and then say something.But hey, at least you were smart enough to not say anything about the EVOs competing with the supercars.That at least proves you dont belong in a zoo, as someone so crudely put.

To the guy who agreed with you, I do know that EVOs have one of the highest hp to cylinder or displacement ratings.

All this started because Ak wished Camaro fans good luck and made a comment that four cylinders.If he meant that as a insult, I doubt he would have wished anyone good luck.You people are ready to start bickering for any reason.

Thought to be considered, if Japanese four cylinders, or any Japanese cars are so bad, is that why these cars are imported by many countries.Is that why they compete with european icons?

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.24.2008

Wow...and to think I was going to comment on this.

AK47  (6023) posted on 03.24.2008

also the 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR ran a 4.5 in the 0-60 which was faster than most muscle cars in its price range but the 1/4 mile time was 13.3 while a 2005 pontiac GTO... a muscle car ran a 1/4 mile time 13 so the muscle may have lost the 0-60 but in a real race it won... and thats with no modifications...

just another proof and fact that shows what v-8’s are capable of

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