Volt pricing edging up

Volt pricing edging up
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Here’s what’s causing concern about the Volt.

They’re missing targets. Right now, it’s the price target. GM is saying that they’d rather miss the price target than miss the targeted introduction date.

The car originally was targeted for 2010 at a price of $30,000.

Although GM apparently remains committed to introducing the Chevrolet Volt in 2010, they’re not committed to the price, any more.

They’re expecting it to be closer to $35,000.

Why?

It’s the audio system, the windshield wipers, the power accessories.

(more after the jump)

According to GM insiders, the problem is that these accessories all draw power from the battery. That battery, however, is the source of electricity to drive the wheels and move the car. The accessories are power hogs, which would substantially reduce the car’s forty mile range on battery power alone.

The fix, according to Wired.com, is something called “redundant systems,” which sounds like GM will be adding a back-up generator for the power accessories.

According to Dee Allen of General Motors, speaking to Wired.com, “[y]ou really start taking away from the range when you’re using ten speaker audio systems, wipers. These systems need to be redone, and they are being redone.”

“Redone.”

That is a word that means something was done at least once before, and is now being done over, presumably because it wasn’t done well enough the first time.

The Volt is one big question mark, and not just because the batteries upon which it depends are still in the experimental stage.

The Volt will have entirely new levels of complexity, of types far different than those associated with typical cars that run on internal combustion engines and use normal automatic transmissions. Customers, however, are going to be expecting both the reliability that is now taken for granted in even the least expensive vehicles and the comfort and luxury that is demanded by anyone buying a $35,000 car. Novelty and a desire to seem “politically correct” may sell the Prius. But, for the extra $15,000, Chevrolet’s going to have to produce a car that actually performs as well as other cars in that price range.

And it is going to have to do it with the same level of reliability – and under the same conditions, be they Wisconsin’s deep freeze winters or Arizona’s baking heat.

At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit last month, a group including TopSpeed.com was able to spent some quality interview time with Jamie Hresko, the “vice president, quality” at General Motors. Hresko is an engineer. Engineers have a certain way of approaching problems that is different than the way the rest of us do it. Engineers don’t really see a problem. They just see an opportunity to find solutions, and then to select from them the best solution.

Hresko described the corporate commitment to quality, one that includes changing the design life of components and testing, testing, testing – testing components to failure, just to be sure that they won’t fail for the customer.

Nothing in the Volt program is suggesting, to me at least, that General Motors has the time or intention of doing this level of testing before introducing the Volt.

GM’s reputation will not be enhanced if it is the customers who end up doing the testing.

What do you think?
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12 comments:

  (6023) posted on 03.14.2008

I agree with Daniel. Mizzou fan, if you think that Japanese cars are so bad why don’t you quit your job and take one up where you can be with your precious GM cars? Just because the Japanese provide us with cars that have lower price tags doesn’t mean the cars aren’t good. There is a good reason that the Japanese are dominating the automobile industry. Even the cheapest of Japanese cars have safety features that other brands can’t match. For the dunderheads, the safety of a car does not depend on the number of airbags it has, there are loads of other features involved. To THE WISE MAN; even if the crew of GM motors made a time machine and went back to steal the steal the ideas of the Asians, they would still be behind the Japanese. These people have cars that are driven from mathane that they derive from garbage! That is smart.They came up with gas cars while GM cars using leaded fuel for better ’economy’.GM can barely compete with the Germans, let alone the Japanese. WAKE UP!PEOPLE! It’s time to see the truth.

  (6023) posted on 03.14.2008

Define a proper powered gas car?

  (6023) posted on 03.8.2008

we all know how the domestic car market works. They put about 1,000,000 cars on the road each year. They have recalls on about half of them for different mechanical issues, or electrical issues. I’m pretty sure gm is raising their price by 5k so they can be prepared to pay for all the warrenty work for their new vehicles their getting ready to ship out.

  (6023) posted on 02.15.2008

We shall see..........

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

Show me one proper powered gas car that GM built ever and then I’ll believe the Volt will happen in 2010.
I rest my case.

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

I’m not worried if GM will come out with the Volt; I’m sure that, after all this hype, they will launch it- they will have to launch it- even if, as Ralph points out, they might not have the time/resource to extensively test it (and I mean extensively; I’m sure GM will not release a car thats unsafe or potentially dangerous, but it would probably lack finesse).
The question, however, is whether its plausible that other makers such as Ford, Mercedes, BWM, Toyota, and Honda are just standing at the sidelines waiting for GM to launch the Volt and gobble up the market? Perhaps they are not making headlines, but I think all major car manufacturers are, to some extent, doing their own research into the electric car segment, and that by the time the Volt comes out amidst all its fanfare in 2010, there will be at least a couple of competitors for it out there.
Things will certainly become more interesting then.

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

Trust me, I understand there is massive amounts of R&D to help the Volt.
But it will not happen, GM cannot even build a proper gas powered car, please.
We can all hope, its the American thing to do, but we have look at things realistically. The Volt will not happen, they will continue to miss targets and eventually push the car back a couple years while Toyota keeps cashing in. (Daniel you are 100% Correct)

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

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Posted on 02.14.2008 12:02 by Ralph Kalal
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Here’s what’s causing concern about the Volt.

They’re missing targets. Right now, it’s the price target. GM is saying that they’d rather miss the price target than miss the targeted introduction date.

The car originally was targeted for 2010 at a price of $30,000.

Although GM apparently remains committed to introducing the Chevrolet Volt in 2010, they’re not committed to the price, any more.

They’re expecting it to be closer to $35,000.

Why?

It’s the audio system, the windshield wipers, the power accessories.

(more after the jump)

According to GM insiders, the problem is that these accessories all draw power from the battery. That battery, however, is the source of electricity to drive the wheels and move the car. The accessories are power hogs, which would substantially reduce the car’s forty mile range on battery power alone.

The fix, according to Wired.com, is something called “redundant systems,” which sounds like GM will be adding a back-up generator for the power accessories.

According to Dee Allen of General Motors, speaking to Wired.com, “[y]ou really start taking away from the range when you’re using ten speaker audio systems, wipers. These systems need to be redone, and they are being redone.”

“Redone.”

That is a word that means something was done at least once before, and is now being done over, presumably because it wasn’t done well enough the first time.

The Volt is one big question mark, and not just because the batteries upon which it depends are still in the experimental stage.

The Volt will have entirely new levels of complexity, of types far different than those associated with typical cars that run on internal combustion engines and use normal automatic transmissions. Customers, however, are going to be expecting both the reliability that is now taken for granted in even the least expensive vehicles and the comfort and luxury that is demanded by anyone buying a $35,000 car. Novelty and a desire to seem “politically correct” may sell the Prius. But, for the extra $15,000, Chevrolet’s going to have to produce a car that actually performs as well as other cars in that price range.

And it is going to have to do it with the same level of reliability – and under the same conditions, be they Wisconsin’s deep freeze winters or Arizona’s baking heat.

At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit last month, a group including TopSpeed.com was able to spent some quality interview time with Jamie Hresko, the “vice president, quality” at General Motors. Hresko is an engineer. Engineers have a certain way of approaching problems that is different than the way the rest of us do it. Engineers don’t really see a problem. They just see an opportunity to find solutions, and then to select from them the best solution.

Hresko described the corporate commitment to quality, one that includes changing the design life of components and testing, testing, testing – testing components to failure, just to be sure that they won’t fail for the customer.

Nothing in the Volt program is suggesting, to me at least, that General Motors has the time or intention of doing this level of testing before introducing the Volt.

GM’s reputation will not be enhanced if it is the customers who end up doing the testing.

4 comments: Volt pricing edging up

The Wise One. (4184) - Posted on 02.14.2008

This is the single most important vehicle for GM in years. It represents a paradigm shift in the makeup of Automobiles. To believe that the New GM isn’t going to test this vehicle with the same standards as they test every other vehicle is ludicrous.

To Rob: The Volt is a VERY real car. GM is spending massive amounts of time, research and investment in this car. They are practically laying their existance on the line with this car.

Take for example to allocation of a new design center specifically for this single vehicle. Take their extensive wind-tunnel testing so they can get amazing aerodynamics.

Believe me this is a VERY real car. So you’d better watch out at night, ’cause that little bugger’s gonna be angry you called him fake.

To Daniel: Compare the Prius’s fuel savings to that of the Volt. Designed to be completely GAS-FREE. (of course, that’s for the first 40 miles - but after that we’re still talking +55 mpg.) Don’t be too quick to write the Prius off as a winner. Those fuel savings will MORE than make up for the increased cost.

Also, please factor in the concept of brand new technology being high-priced at it’s introduction. Give it a few years, and as production increases, you will find it’s price will drop to those closer to the inferior Prius. (something very RARELY heard-of in an automobile; again - paradigm shift.)

Toyota does indeed plan on making a Plug-in version. But ask yourself...how far can YOU go on their projected range of 7 miles? I can go to the grocery store, and halfway back...and then it’s back to gasoline for the rest of the day........

To Mizzou fan: EXACTLY!!! This is a perception that MUST be eradicated...and it will be, thanks in part to the Volt.

Readers: Please do not be so quick as to write GM off on this car. They have the most experience involving electric vehicles out of ALL the major auto-manufacturers thanks primarily to their EV1 project. You will all see, if you keep a relatively open mind, that this is NOT a joke, and this car WILL succeed.

You don’t know me...but trust me.

Afterword: Contrary to unfortunate popular belief, the EV1 project was NOT a failure from a engineering standpoint. But the demand was not great enough at that time. So it was cancelled like any other car would have been. GM was ahead of the curve (yeah, I typed that right). Could you imagine what may have happened if the program took off? The advancements GM would have made during the timespan between then and now?? It boggles the mind.

Rob (4184) - Posted on 02.14.2008

Chevy Volt = Real as the Tooth Fairy

Daniel (4184) - Posted on 02.14.2008

Mizzou fan is that why the domestic car market is ing wind? Because they make cars with a "few flaws"? LOL....Toyota is going to rule the world, face it, GM needs to close its doors. 35K for a "what if" car, the so called volt or 22K for a prius with proven technology...Cant wait for the 2009 prius, Toyota is probably laughing out loud at this news...we all knew Chevy could not pull it off, the whole concept is a bust.

Mizzou fan (4184) - Posted on 02.14.2008

We all know how important quality is in an automobile, and so does GM. You can’t honestly tell me that GM is going to do nothing in the way of testing and retesting so that these accessories don’t drain all of the power so quickly and so completely. For years I have heard how everyone thinks that these foreign cars are so dependable and reliable. I work for a rental car company, so, needless to say, I drive just about every car there is at one point or another. Whenever I drive one of these Hyundais, Toyotas, Nissans or Hondas, I feel like I’m driving one of the cheapest machines in the world. The "check engine" lights come on all the time, the alignment goes out easily, and the interiors come apart. I know we shouldn’t have to sacrifice anything with these cars, but I’d take a few flaws with my Chevy, Ford or Dodge over these pieces of junk any day.

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  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

This is the single most important vehicle for GM in years. It represents a paradigm shift in the makeup of Automobiles.
To believe that the New GM isn’t going to test this vehicle with the same standards as they test every other vehicle is ludicrous.

To Rob:
The Volt is a VERY real car. GM is spending massive amounts of time, research and investment in this car. They are practically laying their existance on the line with this car.

Take for example to allocation of a new design center specifically for this single vehicle. Take their extensive wind-tunnel testing so they can get amazing aerodynamics.

Believe me this is a VERY real car. So you’d better watch out at night, ’cause that little bugger’s gonna be angry you called him fake.

To Daniel:
Compare the Prius’s fuel savings to that of the Volt. Designed to be completely GAS-FREE. (of course, that’s for the first 40 miles - but after that we’re still talking +55 mpg.) Don’t be too quick to write the Prius off as a winner. Those fuel savings will MORE than make up for the increased cost.

Also, please factor in the concept of brand new technology being high-priced at it’s introduction. Give it a few years, and as production increases, you will find it’s price will drop to those closer to the inferior Prius. (something very RARELY heard-of in an automobile; again - paradigm shift.)

Toyota does indeed plan on making a Plug-in version. But ask yourself...how far can YOU go on their projected range of 7 miles? I can go to the grocery store, and halfway back...and then it’s back to gasoline for the rest of the day........

To Mizzou fan: EXACTLY!!! This is a perception that MUST be eradicated...and it will be, thanks in part to the Volt.

Readers: Please do not be so quick as to write GM off on this car. They have the most experience involving electric vehicles out of ALL the major auto-manufacturers thanks primarily to their EV1 project. You will all see, if you keep a relatively open mind, that this is NOT a joke, and this car WILL succeed.

You don’t know me...but trust me.

Afterword: Contrary to unfortunate popular belief, the EV1 project was NOT a failure from a engineering standpoint. But the demand was not great enough at that time. So it was cancelled like any other car would have been. GM was ahead of the curve (yeah, I typed that right). Could you imagine what may have happened if the program took off? The advancements GM would have made during the timespan between then and now?? It boggles the mind.

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

Chevy Volt = Real as the Tooth Fairy

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

Mizzou fan is that why the domestic car market is ing wind? Because they make cars with a "few flaws"?
LOL....Toyota is going to rule the world, face it, GM needs to close its doors. 35K for a "what if" car, the so called volt or 22K for a prius with proven technology...Cant wait for the 2009 prius, Toyota is probably laughing out loud at this news...we all knew Chevy could not pull it off, the whole concept is a bust.

  (6023) posted on 02.14.2008

We all know how important quality is in an automobile, and so does GM. You can’t honestly tell me that GM is going to do nothing in the way of testing and retesting so that these accessories don’t drain all of the power so quickly and so completely. For years I have heard how everyone thinks that these foreign cars are so dependable and reliable. I work for a rental car company, so, needless to say, I drive just about every car there is at one point or another. Whenever I drive one of these Hyundais, Toyotas, Nissans or Hondas, I feel like I’m driving one of the cheapest machines in the world. The "check engine" lights come on all the time, the alignment goes out easily, and the interiors come apart. I know we shouldn’t have to sacrifice anything with these cars, but I’d take a few flaws with my Chevy, Ford or Dodge over these pieces of junk any day.

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