Hyundai Veloster N DCT vs Honda Civic Type-R - Can The Small Korean Run With One Of The Best?
Most would probably agree that a drag race is a good way to determine which one of two (or more) cars has superior performance. Sam CarLegion – a YouTube channel that drag races (mostly) new vehicles – has given us a proper quarter-mile brawl between two of the hottest hot hatchbacks currently on sale. It’s the Hyundai Veloster N DCT versus the Honda Civic Type-R. Although a drag race only tells you so much about a car’s overall performance, the two are more evenly matched than you might think.
2023 Honda Civic Type-R
What is considered by many to be the ultimate hot hatch – the Honda Civic Type-R – will return for 2023. Many wondered what is to become of the Type-R since the normal version was already announced for 2022. However, thanks to the recent footage, we know that the next hot version of the Civic is on its way. As with most spy shots, the car is still cloaked in camouflage, but we still get a good idea of what to expect.
New Details About the Civic Si Paint An Interesting Picture, And The Type R Is Still A Mystery
Honda just revealed all the dirty details about both the 2022 Honda Civic Hatchback and the Civic Sedan, and, on top of this, we’ve learned a little bit about the Civic Si and Civic Type R. Honda didn’t go all out and spoil the party of anxiety leading up to the launch of these two gems, but we did learn a couple of things about them, including a very strange twist that nobody saw coming.
Civic SI and Type R: Honda Knows What Enthusiasts Want, Industry Trends Notwithstanding
In a world where high-performance brands like Porsche and Aston Martin are slowly leaving the manual transmission in the dust, here comes Honda with a pledge to keep our blood boiling as we row our own. Of course, you won’t be able to get a manual transmission in all Hondas – those days are long and gone – but you’ll be able to have six gears and three pedals in the models that matter the most.
2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition - Driven
The Honda Civic Type R is a very special vehicle. Many will belittle it because it is front wheel drive. Others will say that it is stupid to pay that much money for a fixed up Civic. People that say things like that are inexperienced drivers who have no idea how much fun a proper front wheel drive car can be. And if they need a badge from a high end European car to define a sports car, then they have an ego problem and they do not know anything about cars. Honda’s rich racing history is one of the most successful in recent times and products such as the Type R are a result of what their engineers learn from racing. We spent a few days with the Civic Type R and it is one of the most fun sports cars at any price. That sums it up. If you want more details, keep reading.
The Next-Gen Honda Civic Type R Ends An Era That Barely Started
The current Honda Civic Type R, despite its track-focused and aggressive nature, made on hell of a daily driver. And, it was the first Type R from Honda or Acura that landed on U.S. roads since the Acura Integra Type R won over the hearts of ricers and tuners from coast to coast back in the 90s. Even cars like the NSX-R, for example, were left among the forbidden fruit that is the Japanese Domestic Market. Now, with the release of the 2022 Honda Civic sedan, we know that the next Civic Type-R is around the corner and it is, sadly, the last of a dying breed.
You Can Now Cram The Honda Civic Type R’s 306HP Engine In Just About Anything
When it comes to small-displacement crate engines available for immediate purchase, nothing beats Honda’s K20C1 unit. That’s the mighty 2.0-liter turbo-four from the Civic Type R, which has been available as a crate engine since 2017. Not exactly news, yes, but Honda is now offering an HPD Controls Package with it to make the process of getting it into your car much easier. It is now a complete package so you don’t have to deal with things like ECU and engine wiring harness. It’s a drop-in replacement so you might as well start working on that car project you’ve been dreaming about.
How Would You Feel About a 400-Horsepower, AWD Honda Civic Type R?
The redesigned 2020 Honda Type R is still a fresh addition to the Japanese brand’s lineup but rumors about the next-gen Type R have been swirling on the interwebs for quite some time now.
Those familiar with what’s been written and predicted about the new generation Honda Type R know that the hot hatch has been touted with every possible powertrain: a hybrid one, an all-electric setup, and a pure-ICE configuration.
Basically, we know nothing about what’s going to motivate the new Type R yet a rumor from Japan takes the cake in terms of outrageousness.
It Looks Like The 2022 Honda Civic Type R Won’t Be Hybrid After All
Honda’s 306-horsepower, 295-pound-feet hot hatch isn’t that long in the tooth so a replacement might take a couple of years to spring into reality, but there’s already talk about what the current Type R’s successor might bring to the table. And as things look right now, a hybrid powertrain isn’t in the cards.
Will We Ever See an All-Electric Civic Type R from Honda?
There’s nothing we can say to further boost the Civic’s (and subsequently, the Type R’s) icon status among car nuts. But times are changing and with the current push for electrification, even such a revered moniker as the Type R is likely to adopt the trend sooner or later.
Recent info in that direction comes from within Honda’s official ranks. Apparently, there are folks over at Honda who believe in the possibility of an all-electric Type R-badged car, especially since the Japanese carmaker should begin mixing its performance-oriented cars with less polluting powertrains.
Quick, Grab This Special 2021 Honda Civic Type R While It’s Hot
Honda didn’t forget about those Type R customers that live for track days and track days only, so it came up with a more circuit-oriented, limited-run Civic Type R that can only be had in one body color.
So, if the regular Honda Civic Type R wasn’t light enough for you, then please do check out the 2021 Type R Limited Edition, which Honda dubs as “the ultimate street-legal track-focused variant” of the Civic Type R. Oh, and it’s supposed to arrive on U.S. soil later this year, so hopefully future owners won’t have to wait a lot to get it.
James May Just Did the Best Video Review of the Honda Civic Type R That We’ve Ever Seen
Honda may not be building too many exciting cars at the moment but when the Japanese do get up and slap a ’Type R’ badge onto something, we stop and listen. This is the case with the latest Civic Type R, introduced in 2017, that puts out 306 horsepower, features a social media-friendly body kit, and is a monstrously fast FWD hatchback. Don’t believe me? Maybe you will believe if James May says it.
The FK8 Civic Type R based on the tenth-generation Civic is by far the most insane-looking Civic Type R of the lot and a lot of people out there have been harsh with the car for that very reason. Many say it’s more show than go while you may hear others joking that it was designed so that it will put tuning companies out of business. But this isn’t a car that can only bark and not bite as records on a number of world-renown race tracks will attest. But, for us, the reason why we like this Civic Type R so much is that we can, finally, taste it for ourselves as it’s the first Civic to be sold in the U.S. Let’s hope this is the start of a tradition and not just a one-off opportunity.
The Next-Gen Honda Civic Type-R Will Most Likely Be a Hybrid-Powered Performance Beast
Honda has not been doing well in the European market and has made some big plans to boost its sales. By 2025, the Japanese giant will electrify all of its models in Europe. And, this is where the Civic Type-R comes into the picture. Based on the comments made by a senior Honda executive at the 2019 Geneva Motor Show, the next-gen Honda Civic Type-R will be electrified alongside a drastic change in design direction from the sharp and angular image of recent generations. Will the Civic Type-R’s performance remain the same even then?
2017 Honda Civic Type R: Life Behind the Wheel
A Rallye Red 2017 Honda Civic Type R has graced my driveway for the last week. Visible from my office window, the hot hatch just begs to be driven – and driven hard. It’s a Nürburgring-tuned monster with an appetite for the Ford Focus RS, Subaru WRX STI, and Volkswagen Golf R, yet is rather livable doing everyday, mundane trips around town. Honda somehow engineered the Type R to do both, though the phrase about being a jack of all trade and master of none definitely applies.
The Type R is based on the Civic Hatchback but receives extra structural adhesives for a more rigid chassis. It also gets a unique suspension system, complete with adaptive dampers, stiffer spring rates, and thicker anti-roll bars. And of course, the Type R has its own powertrain – a souped-up version of the Accord’s 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder. Here it makes 306 horsepower at 6,500 rpm and 295 pound-feet of torque from 2,500 up to 4,500 rpm. Honda chose to forego a complex and heavy all-wheel-drive system like the Ford, Subaru, and Volkswagen; instead, going with a front-wheel drive setup that allows for an extremely respectable curb weight of only 3,100 pounds. It’s this combination of light weight and rigidity that make the Type R what it is. And now that you know Honda’s recipe, here’s how the final product tastes.
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Turns Out The 2017 Honda Civic Type R Makes a Good Daily Driver
At its heart, the Honda Civic Type R is still a Civic hatchback. That’s the key. It still offers 25.7 cubic feet of cargo room behind the rear seats, an impressive 46.2 cubic feet with them folded, and will comfortably hold two adults when not. The Civic Type R’s only downfall compared to its more pedestrian brother is its missing second-row middle seat. Everything else (size wise) remains unchanged through the Type R-ification.
What’s that mean? The 306-horsepower hot hatch makes a good daily driver. There’s room for a trip to IKEA, car seats fit just fine, and all the niceties like dual-zone climate controls abound. But there is more to being a good daily driver than just having room for people and their stuff. Factors like ride quality, sound levels, seat comfort, and fuel economy are also at play. Keep reading for the details on how these factors, well… factor into the Civic Type R’s daily livability.
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Managing The Bump: A Look at the Civic Type R’s Suspension
The 2017 Honda Civic Type R is the newest hot hatch in the American market, but it’s not the most beastly contender. In fact, that title easily goes to the Ford Focus RS – the 350-horsepower AWD monster with drift mode. Rather than one-upping the Focus RS, the Honda development team aimed for lightweight precision and focused on drivability. The goal was creating a fully track-capable hatchback that was completely livable on public roads during daily driving. A substantial amount of math an engineering later, the Type R debuted with a unique suspension system that handles both.
Despite the Type R’s newness to the scene, we’ve had plenty of time behind the wheel. Honda had us at the launch event in August and we have one in the driveway as this is being written. (Believe us, it’s hard to remain behind the computer when seeing a red Type R through the window.) At the launch event in Washington State, Honda provided each journalist with their own Type R, allowing for uninterrupted driving and relief from awkward conversations with an unknown co-driver about their bad speeding habits. Track time at The Ridge Motorsports Park showed exactly how well the Type R could dance and provided a more intimate feeling of the car’s handling. Now we’re evaluating the Type R on familiar pavement. The consensus is that Honda did its homework. The Type R truly does offer a world-class driving experience with few trade-offs. We still think road noise is a bit too loud, but the low curb weight of only 3,117 pounds makes us understand the missing sound deadening material.
Continue reading for a full run-down of the Type R’s suspension.
The Turbocharged Heart of the 2017 Honda Civic Type R
The Honda Civic Type R is powered by a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder constructed from aluminum. It uses Honda’s proven VTEC system to phase the timing of the 16 overhead valves. Rotational mass is kept down thanks to sodium-filled exhaust valves and lightweight pistons. A short blip of the throttle will have the 2.0-liter screaming at its 7,000-rpm redline in very short order. Thankfully, redline isn’t required for making peak horsepower. All 306 galloping ponies are in full stampede at 6,500 rpm and the 295 pound-feet of torque peak at only 2,500 rpm but stays through 4,500 rpm.
Temperatures are kept in check by an intercooler, a radiator, and four separate inlets into the engine bay. The lowest inlet in the grille chills the turbo’s intercooler while the space below the Honda H directs air to the engine’s radiator. The upper slot just below the hood is what feeds fresh air into the intake. Last but not least, the hood scoop is used to push cool air down the backside of the engine while relieving positive air pressure under the hood and thereby reducing lift.
More cooling happens via the oil jets that squirt the underside of the piston and the water-cooled, two-piece exhaust manifold. As for those oil jets, they not only cool the pistons and cylinder walls, they also provide a constant flow of lubrication.
After air leaves the unique exhaust manifold, it travels down a single exhaust pipe. Behind the rear axle, the pipe forks off into three seconds. The outer pipes go to large mufflers, while the center pipe feeds a resonator. The three each feel their own exhaust tip in the center of the bumper. Honda says the center resonator is used to control mid-rev booming inside the cabin, while the outer mufflers move vast amounts of air at high speeds. Interestingly, the center resonator actually generates negative pressure at higher revs. The result is a snarling yet not overbearing exhaust note – both from inside and outside the car.
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Watch How Honda Manages Air on the 2017 Civic Type R
The 2017 Honda Civic Type R has made massive waves in the hot hatch segment since its launch midyear. The Type R blazes its own trail with a different map that Ford and Subaru use for their Focus RS and WRX STI. The Honda lacks a fancy AWD system, drift mode, or some expensive Recaro or Sparco branded seats. Rather, Honda focused on reducing mass and aerodynamics. The aero work is clearly seen when looking at the car, but there’s more to the story than just tall spoilers and big intakes.
Rob Keough with Honda Civic Product Planning goes into deep detail on all the Type R’s aerodynamic surfaces and cooling ductwork in this five-minute video from Honda. Keough goes through the visual tour of the car’s thermal package first, showing the three separate intakes for the intercooler, radiator, and engine air intake. The hood-mounted scoop then channels air down and out of the engine bay. This not only helps relieve air pressure, but also reduces lift on the front wheels. A hidden air duct below the fog lights help cool the front brakes.
Around back, the wing is positioned high enough to not block rear visibility yet is thin enough to not cause any undue drag. Its angle and shape are positioned to create downforce at higher speeds, aided by vortex generators along the rear of the roof. Honda says the Type R has a drag coefficient of 0.26, which is incredibly low. By comparison, the Bugatti Chiron has a drag coefficient of .35 in its Top Speed mode. Yeah…
Of course, aerodynamics are only a part of the 2017 Civic Type R’s story. We’ll have more Type R content this week as we’ve got one in the driveway. Feel free to ask questions in the comments and we’ll answer them.
No More Ludicrous Prices: 2018 Honda Civic Type R Goes On Sale
The Honda Civic Type R was finally launched in the United States in 2017 (for the first time in 20 years) and caused lots of chaos at dealerships, which had to cope with incredible demand for very low supply. The first run was preordered in a matter of hours, and many dealers tried to speculate and used all sorts of tricks to up the sticker. Some of those who preordered a Type R tried to resell their orders at higher prices too, sometimes well in excess of $70,000. But it looks like all these shenanigans may finally be over, as the 2018-model-year Civic Type R went on sale in the United States.
The beefed-up hatchback retails from $34,100, excluding the $890 destination charge and other costs. Definitely much better than the $50,000 sticker some dealerships were asking, or the $80,000+ some nut jobs were trying to score by selling their preorders. The only bad news here is that demand is so high that there may still be a long waiting line at dealerships, but the ordering and delivery process should become easier in a couple of months. On a related note, the Type R turbocharged engine is now also available as a crate engine for amateur and professional race team through the company’s motorsport division.