2010 Porsche 911 Turbo
It was at the 1974 Paris Motor Show when the German sports car maker Porsche unveiled a turbocharged version of the classic 911 for the first time when they pulled the covers back off of a 3.0 Liter Porsche 930 Turbo, a model which at the time amazed audiences with its 260 HP maximum output and the ability to reach a 155 MPH top speed. In 2009 the 911 Turbo entered its seventh generation, with considerable performance improvements resulting in a Carrera Turbo that is almost twice as powerful as the original.
Even if the design has changed, the new Turbo remains unmistakably a 911, with a sporty focus on the driving essentials. The outer air intakes on the front apron now come with titanium colored slats. Sitting low to their left and right are the new daytime running lights in the same manner as the LED indicators and safety is even further enhanced with the optional dynamic cornering light function while the side mirrors have been revised for a better rearward visibility. At the rear of the new Turbo, the Porsche wears a new set of distinctive LED taillights that have a tapered design and extend deep into the contours of the rear fascia. The fast response LED brake lights underline the car’s purposeful look and enhance active safety by offering more warning to traffic approaching from the rear.
As with the outgoing 2006 Turbo model, the flat six cylinder engine features a pair of snails with Variable Turbine Geometry (VTG), but the new unit’s displacement has been increased to 3.8 Liters and now develops 500 HP and as much as 516 lb-ft of torque with the Sport Chrono Package. This allows the new 91 Turbo to sprint from 0 to 60 MPH in only 3.4 seconds and reach a 194 MPH top speed when it goes on sale in the U.S. on January 30 with the coupe being priced at $132,800 and $143,800 for the cabriolet.
Press release after the jump.
2010 Porsche 911 Turbo
Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG, Stuttgart, is proudly presenting a new top model at the pinnacle of its broad range of production sports cars: The new Porsche 911 Turbo combines far-reaching innovations in technology with fine tuning and supreme refinement in design. All key features of this high-performance sports car have been significantly improved, the new 911 Turbo combining a substantial improvement in fuel efficiency and lower weight with more power, even higher speed, and enhanced driving dynamics.
Particularly in terms of fuel economy and dynamic performance, the new top-of-the-range 911 from Zuffenhausen now stands out even more than before from its competitors in the market. Porsche’s new top model will be presented to the public for the first time at the Frankfurt Motor Show from 17 - 27 September.
The heart and highlight of the seventh generation of the Turbo is the new power unit displacing 3.8 litres and delivering maximum output of 500 bhp (368 kW). The first entirely new engine in the 35-year-history of the Turbo comes with features such as Direct Fuel Injection and Porsche’s exclusive turbocharger with variable turbine geometry on a gasoline power unit. And as an option, the new six-cylinder may be combined for the first time with Porsche’s seven-speed PDK Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (Double-Clutch Gearbox).
Models equipped with PDK are also available with a new, optional three-spoke steering wheel with gearshift paddles as an alternative to the standard steering wheel with its proven shift buttons. Fitted firmly on the steering wheel, the right paddle is for shifting up, the left paddle for shifting down. In conjunction with the optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo both the gearshift paddle and the PDK steering wheel with its shift buttons come with integrated displays for Launch Control and the Sport/Sport Plus mode, which are however designed differently on the two steering wheels.
The combination of PDK, Direct Fuel Injection and turbocharging ensures an unprecedented standard of efficiency, agility, responsiveness and performance, the Porsche 911 Turbo reducing CO2 emissions versus its predecessor by almost 18 per cent and therefore ranking unique in its segment also in this respect. Depending on the configuration of the car, the new top model requires just 11.4 - 11.7 ltr/100 km (equal to 24.8 - 24.1 mpg imp) under the EU5 standard. And unlike most other cars in its segment, the new Turbo remains even further below the crucial level of fuel consumption for gas guzzler tax in the USA, the special tax imposed on cars with substantial fuel consumption. All this despite acceleration to 100 km/h in 3.4 seconds. Top speed, in turn, is 312 km/h or 194 mph.
The Turbo driver of the future will also enjoy a further improvement in driving dynamics, detailed enhancement of PTM fully controlled all-wheel drive and PSM Porsche Stability Management being further supported by new PTV Porsche Torque Vectoring available as an option. This makes the car even more agile and precise in its steering for an even higher level of driving pleasure.
Sales of the new Porsche 911 Turbo in both Coupé and Cabriolet guise are starting in Germany on 21 November 2009. The Euro base price without value-added tax and national specifications is Euro 122,400.- for the Coupé and Euro 131,800.- for the Cabriolet. The gross retail price in Germany, therefore, is Euro 145,871.- for the Coupé and Euro 157,057.- for the Cabriolet, in each case including 19% value-added tax and national specifications.
A characteristic feature of the most powerful production 911 is the front apron with large cooling air intakes and bar-shaped LED direction indicators. New features are the titaniumcoloured louvers in the side air intakes and LED daytime driving lights replacing the conven - tional foglamps.
Available for the first time as an option on the new 911 Turbo, dynamic bending lights improve illumination of bends in the road ahead by the headlight module following the course of the road by swivelling in their angle up to 15o. Indeed, the sophisticated design of this doublelens projection system bears out the progressive and striking character of the new 911 Turbo most convincingly.
In their new design, the double-arm exterior mirrors offer a better view to the rear and pro - vide optimised aerodynamics with the mirror glass better protected from dirt.
Nineteen-inch Turbo II wheels in forged technology and twin-tone looks featured as standard on the new 911 Turbo provide a particularly appealing touch in terms of style and design. The rear view of the new 911 Turbo is even more powerful and muscular, not only on account of the classic split wing, but also and above all due to the newly designed rear lights in LED technology and the much larger tailpipes.
The latest generation of the top 911 in the range also comes with a new generation of stee - ring wheels. Models with the manual gearbox feature a new three-spoke sports steering wheel in modified design as standard. Cars with the Porsche-Doppelkupplungsgetriebe are available for the first time as an alternative to the PDK steering wheel featuring its proven shift buttons with a new, optional three-spoke sports steering wheel complete with gearshift paddles.
These shift paddles are fitted firmly on the steering wheel, the right paddle serving to shift up, the left paddle to shift down.
In conjunction with the optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo both the paddle and the PDK steering wheel come with push buttons and integrated displays. As a function of the button pressed, either the “Sport” or the “Sport Plus” light will switch on. And if the driver has acti - vated Launch Control, this function is also shown.
On the PDK steering wheel these displays are housed in an additional binnacle above the airbag module, on the new sports steering wheel with its gearshift paddles in the right and left double spoke.
The interior combines impressive design with carefully thought-out technology to provide even more of the sporting style you’d expect from the 911 Turbo.
Efficient ergonomics are also used to the best advantage. All models come with 8 way power seats as standard featuring full electric adjustment of fore/aft position, height, backrest and seat cushion angle, as well as lumbar support. Comfort is assured thanks to excellent lateral support and greater headroom. Available as a no-cost option, the manually adjustable sport seats have firmer upholstery. Other options include adaptive sport seats or sport bucket seats.
The new 911 models are equipped as standard with PCM. The central control system for all audio, navigation and communication functions, PCM is powerful, versatile and easy to use. The key feature of PCM is the 6.5-inch touchscreen display offering intuitive access to all functions. With the standard navigation module, it enables easy destination input as well as fast access to points of interest (POIs) by simply tapping on the respective map icons. You can also add ’via’ points quickly and easily after you’ve commenced your journey. If you prefer, you can operate PCM as before using the right-hand rotary push-button control.
To enable Bluetooth® connection for those mobile phones that support the Handsfree Profile (HFP), an optional handsfree phone interface is available. With HFP, the PCM act as a hands-free system. The mobile phone can remain tucked away. The PCM can be used to control functions of the phone. The universal audio interface provides three audio ports in the center console storage compartment. These can be used to connect an iPod®, USB memory stick/MP3 player or other audio devices with Aux-ln cable. The iPod® and memory stick can be operated via PCM, the optional multifunction steering wheel or optional voice control.
XM® Radio provides a wide variety of entertainment in music, sports, talk, comedy and news. You will get superior digital sound quality on over 170 channels coast to coast, including 71 channels of commercial-free music. XM also provides excellent sports coverage, from college sports, Major League Baseball® and the NHL® to the NBA and PGA TOUR®. On top of all of this great programming, you can now add The Best of SIRIUS to your XM radio and get Howard Stern, every NFL game, every NASCAR® race, plus even more great talk, entertainment and live sports.
Also available, XM® NavTraffic® is the nation’s first satellite-delivered traffic information service, enabling your vehicle’s navigation system to display continually updated current traffic conditions for your desired route. With XM NavTraffic it is possible for drivers in 80 markets to easily access critical and customized information such as traffic congestion, accidents, incidents, road construction, average speed, and estimated driving time. All infor->mation is compiled using the best verified national and local traffic data available. It transforms your navigation system from a device you use on occashon to something you’ll rely on every time you get behind the wheel.
Fitted as standard, the BOSE® Surround Sound System is custom-engineered to the unique interior acoustics of the 911 Turbo. Featuring a total of 13 loudspeakers (12 in the 911 Turbo Cabriolet), including an active sub woofer and central dashboard speaker, as well as a seven-channel digital amplifier with a nominal output of 385 Watts, it guarantees an incredible sound experience. When playing audio CD’s or DVD’s, the system makes full use of the impressive sound spectrum of 5.1 digital recordings.
Engine and performances
Introducing the new 911 Turbo making its debut at the 2009 Frankfurt Motor Show, Porsche is once again setting the highest standard in the high-performance sports car segment.
Indeed, the development borne out by the Turbo for greater efficiency on lower emissions as well as extra driving dynamics on less weight points convincingly into the future. To be specific, the new top-of-the-range Porsche production sports car consumes up to 16 per cent less fuel, develops 20 bhp more power, delivers 30 Nm/22 lb-ft more torque, and accelerates up to 8 per cent faster on a reduction in weight of up to 25 kg or 55 lb – not to mention the enhanced driving dynamics offered by the car.
Given these qualities, the new top model in the 911 range stands out even more clearly than before from its competitors particularly in terms of efficiency and acceleration. The main specifications (different figures for the Cabriolet where appropriate in brackets) are as follows: 3.8-litre six-cylinder biturbo horizontally-opposed power unit developing 500 bhp (368 kW); six-speed manual gearbox, optional seven-speed PDK Porsche-Doppelkupplungsgetriebe; active PTM Porsche Traction Management all-wheel drive; acceleration 0 – 100 km/h in 3.7 (3.8) seconds, with PDK and the Sport Chrono Package Turbo in 3.4 (3.5) seconds; top speed 312 km/h (193 mph); fuel consumption in the NEDC 11.6 (11.7) ltr/100 km equal to 24.3/24.1 mpg imp, with PDK 11.4 (11.5) ltr/100 km (equal to 24.8/24.6 mpg imp).
The heart and highlight of the new Porsche Turbo at the dealership in Germany as of 21 November is of course the new power unit now displacing 3.8 instead of 3.6 litres. This engine for the first time developed brand-new from the ground up in the 35-year history of the 911 Turbo comes with Direct Fuel Injection, an efficiency-enhancing expansion-type intake manifold, and a turbocharger exclusive to Porsche with variable turbine geometry (VTG) on a gasoline power unit. The result is not only an increase in output over the former model by 20 bhp to 500 bhp (368 kW), but also an increase in peak torque up by 30 Nm/22 lb-ft to 650 Nm/479 lb-ft.
As in the past, the Porsche Turbo comes as standard with a six-speed manual gearbox. As an option the turbocharged power unit may for the first time be combined with the sevenspeed PDK Porsche-Doppelkupplungsgetriebe which, unlike Tiptronic S on the former model, also comes with a limited-slip differential.
The PDK double-clutch gearbox is a further development of the transmission already featu - red in the 911 Carrera with reinforced components. The combination of PDK, Direct Fuel
Injection and turbocharging provides a new level of efficiency, agility, response and performance, the 911 Turbo with PDK and the Sport Chrono Package Turbo accelerating from a standstill to 100 km/h in just 3.4 seconds (Cabriolet 3.5 seconds) with the help of Launch Control.
Supreme fuel efficiency: by far the most efficient high-performance sports car Fuel economy up to 16 per cent better than the competition even under the stricter EU5 standard gives the new Porsche Turbo a unique position in its market segment. In concrete terms, average fuel consumption of the 911 Turbo with PDK is down versus the former mo - del with Tiptronic S by 2.2 to 11.4 litres/100 kilometres /equal to 24.8 mpg imp).
In over - land traffic both the Coupé and the Cabriolet, thanks to PDK with its optimum gearshift and the transmission of power with minimum losses, may easily return fuel consumption of less than 10 litres/100 kilometres (28.2 mpg imp or better) (extra-urban fuel consumption to the EU5 standard: Coupé 8.1 ltr/100 (34.9 mpg imp), Cabriolet 8.2 ltr/100 km (34.4 mpg imp). The overall balance of CO2 emissions has improved by an even greater margin, with CO2 down by almost 18 per cent thanks to the changeover from a converter automatic trans - mission to the Doppelkupplungsgetriebe. Emissions are also down on the manual gearbox model by approximately 11 per cent.
With the 911 Turbo already ranking right at the top in terms of efficiency, its lead over the competition is now improving dramatically once again. Indeed, the Porsche 911 Turbo is the only car in its segment to remain below the Gas Guzzler Tax limits in the USA, that is the additional tax imposed on vehicles with heavy fuel consumption.
Top performer also in acceleration and driving dynamics
Even with its manual gearbox featured as standard, the new Turbo accelerates from a stand - still to 100 km/h in just 3.7 seconds (Cabriolet 3.8 seconds). With the PDK gearbox the new Turbo completes the same exercise another tenth of a second faster, and with the optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo featuring dynamic engine mounts for the first time, the top-ofthe- range 911 offers an even higher standard of performance still, the integrated Overboost function increasing maximum torque by 50 Nm/37 lb-ft to no less than 700 Nm/516 lb-ft. This means acceleration from 0 – 100 km/h with the Sport Button pushed in just 3.6 seconds (Cabriolet 3.7 seconds) and, in combination with PDK, the Sport Plus Button and Launch Control, the fastest conceivable acceleration to 100 km/h is in a staggering 3.4 seconds (Cabriolet 3.5 seconds).
In the same mode acceleration to 200 km/h or 124 mph takes just 11.3 seconds (Cabriolet 11.8 seconds).
As a yet further highlight, the Sport Plus Button on the PDK gearbox activates the Race Track Gearshift Strategy with the shortest conceivable shift times and optimum gearshift points when shifting up and down.
To provide yet another improvement of both driving dynamics and motoring/vibration com - fort, the Sport Chrono Package Turbo also comes with dynamic engine mounts changing
their stiffness and damping as a function of driving conditions. This special feature signifi - cantly reduces the transmission of vibrations from the entire drivetrain and, in particular, from the engine to the body of the car.
New: Porsche Torque Vectoring PTV for even higher speeds in bends
The performance of the new 911 Turbo enhanced to an even higher standard goes hand in hand with driving dynamics even more outstanding than ever before. Accordingly, the further
development of PTM Porsche Traction Management all-wheel drive and PSM Porsche Stabi - lity Management for even greater driving dynamics is supported by new, optional Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV).
This innovative system comprises a mechanical rear axle differential and, intervening in the brakes on the inner rear wheel in a bend as required, enhances the agility of the car while reducing any tendency to understeer. The result is even greater steering precision and stabi lity in bends, together with higher speeds on bends and winding roads.
PTM Porsche Traction Management now comes with an even higher standard of driving dynamics, the change in power distribution from front to rear taking place even more smoothly.
The big advantage for the driver is the very well balanced and forgiving behaviour of the car. PTM communicates in the new 911 Turbo with Porsche Stability Management likewise featured as standard. PASM Porsche Active Suspension Management, in turn, gives this unique high-performance sports car another active control system for optimum driving dynamics. Masterminded by a computer, this sophisticated damper technology benefits from the interaction of PTM and PSM by providing even more dynamic control. The driver is able to choose in this process among the Normal and Sport Mode, with the continuous damper adjustment following a more comfort-oriented or sporting and firm control map. As a result, the driving behaviour of the 911 Turbo adjusts flexibly to the individual wishes of the driver.
A fundamental point of Porsche’s safety philosophy is that brake power must always exceed engine power several times over. Precisely this is why the front wheels come with six-piston swing-calliper disc brakes measuring 350 millimetres or 8.9” in diameter. The four-piston swing-calliper brakes at the rear also come with discs measuring 350 millimetres across. Like all models in the 911 range, the new 911 Turbo is also available with PCCB Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes with ceramic discs measuring 380 millimetres/9.6” in diameter at the front for even faster response, very good resistance to fading and absolutely no corrosion. A further advantage of PCCB is the reduction of weight versus the standard brakeswith grey-cast iron discs by approximately 18 kg or 40 lb.
Chassis and Safety
Included as standard equipment, Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) is an electronic damping control system. It offers active and continuous adjustment of the damping force on each wheel based on current road conditions and driving style. PASM has two driver-selectable modes, ’Normal’ and ’Sport’. While ’Normal’ provides a blend of performance and comfort, the ’Sport’ setup mode has a much firmer range of settings. The system responds to changing road conditions and/or driving style by continuously varying the individual damping forces within the parameters defined for the selected setup mode (’Normal’ or ’Sport’). The results are a reduction in pitch and roll, as well as consistent road contact on all four wheels.
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo including dynamic engine mount system and overboost function provides simultaneous enhancement for engine, transmission and chassis.
When ’Sport’ mode is selected using the button on the center console, the DME 3.1 SDI engine management system creates a much more aggressive response to throttle pedal inputs. Under full acceleration, the ’overboost’ function provides a temporary increase in available boost pressure of approximately 0.2 bar. The overboost is applied across the lower and medium rev range, briefly raising the standard 480 Ib-ft of torque to as much as 516 Ib-ft. In addition to the engine, ’Sport’ mode is enabled in the standard PASM suspension. The dampers become firmer, enabling faster turn-in as well as better contact with the road.
The optional Sport Chrono Package Turbo now includes a dynamic engine mount system. Electronically controlled, it modifies the stiffness of the engine mounts. Sensors are used to monitor the steering angle, longitudinal acceleration and lateral acceleration at all times. Based on this information, as well as road conditions and driving style, the system can adjust the stiffness of both engine mounts. On road or track, the result is the same: a noticeable improvement in stability under load transfer and during high-speed cornering.
The 911 Turbo models come with by Bi-XenonTM headlights as standard. They are approximately twice as bright as conventional halogen bulbs and offer a more uniform swath of light. The new dynamic cornering lights are available as an option and provide particularly effective illumination of the road. As a result, visibility is much improved in every corner and potential obstacles are easier to identify.
Other innovations on the 911 Turbo models include a new exterior lighting concept based on the high-performance LEDs on the horizontal front indicators and now also separately housed daytime running lights, the new taillights and the high-level third brake light on the rear wing. As well as adding to the car’s striking appearance and high recognition factor, other advantages include greater luminance and an ultra-fast response of the brake lights. LEDs are also energy-saving, environmentally friendly and have a longer service life than conventional bulbs.
The standard braking system on the 911 Turbo features six-piston monobloc aluminum fixed calipers at the front and four-piston units at the rear. The brakes are quick to apply and release, while the pedal travel is short and the bite point precise and consistent.
The 911 Turbo models are also available with an optional high-performance braking system that has been successfully tested in the toughest endurance racing: the Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB). The ceramic discs are made from a specially treated carbon-fiber compound that is silicate in a high-vacuum process at 3,092 F. The resulting material is not only much harder than metal, it is also more resistant to heat. The key advantage of PCCB is a total weight saving of approximately 50% compared with equivalent cast-iron discs. In addition to enhanced performance and fuel economy, this represents a major reduction in both the unsprung and rotating masses.
Fitted as standard, POSIP includes side-impact protection beams in the doors and two additional airbags on each front seat instead of the usual one. A thorax airbag is located in the side of each backrest, while a head airbag is incorporated within each door. Each airbag has an approximate volume of 8 liters, helping to ensure excellent protection in the event of side impact. The head restraints for driver and front passenger form an integral part of each seat. Other safety features include an energy-absorbing steering column, three-point seat belts with height adjustment (Coupe only), front seat-belt pre-tensioners and force limiters, and energy-absorbing elements in the dashboard.
Torsional rigidity and flexural strength are exemplary for a two-plus-two convertible. The automatically deploying roll-over system helps to reduce risk to occupants if the car overturns. Two spring-loaded roll-over bars are neatly incorporated behind each of the rear seats. The roll-over sensor — part of the airbag control unit — continuously monitors the car’s pitch and roll, contact with the road, as well as lateral and longitudinal forces. If the car overturns, the top-padded bars are instantly deployed.
- Engine layout - Rear Engine
- Cylinders - 6
- Displacement - 3.8 l
- Horsepower - 500 hp@ 6,000 rpm
- Torque 480 lb.-ft. @ rpm 1,950 - 5,000 rpm (with overboost 2,100 - 4,000 rpm)
- Compression ratio - 9.8 : 1
- Charge cycle - 2 VTG turbocharger (variable turbine geometry), 2 intercooler, expansion intake manifold
- Top Track Speed - 194 mph
- 0-60 mph - 3.5 sec (3.4 sec with Sport Plus)
- Aluminum block and cylinder heads
- Water cooled
- 4-valves per cylinder
- Variocam plus variable valve timing and lift
- Hydraulic valve adjustment
- Integrated dry-sump lubrication
- Electronic engine management (EMS SDI 3.1)
- Hot-film air mass sensor
- Direct fuel injection (DFI)
- Multi-stage resonance induction manifold
- 3.8 liter flat-six cylinder engine
- All-wheel drive with PTM (Porsche Traction Management)
- Shell hot-dip galvanized
- Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)
- Sport Chrono Package Turbo Including Dynamic Engine Mounting
- Sport Shifter
- Porsche Active Suspension Management System (PASM)
- Front Suspension: Independent MacPherson struts with forged aluminum control arms, coil springs, stabilizer bar and negative steering roll radius
- Rear Suspension: Independent LSA multi-link with stabilizer bar, coil springs and self-stabilizing toe control
- Cast alloy 8.5J x 19 ET 56 front, 11J x 19 ET 51 rear
- Tyres: 235/35 ZR 19 front, 305/30 ZR 19 rear
- Porsche Drive-off assistant
- Variable-steering ratio, power-assist (hydraulic)
- 19 inch RS Spyder Wheel with Center Lock
- Sport Chrono Package Turbo Including Dynamic Engine Mounting
- 4-piston monobloc fixed alloy calipers and ventilated brake discs
- Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB)
- Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
- Full-size airbags for driver and front passenger
- Three-point inertia-reel seat belts, front and rear with buckle on seat
- Preparation for isofix child-seat mounting with airbag deactivation on front passenger’s seat
- Engine immobilizer, ’safe’ mode locking, alarm system with interior radar surveillance
- Deformation zones at front and rear with integrated alloy bumpers fixed on crush elements
- Bi-Xenon lighting system headlight cleaning and dynamic headlight leveling
- Additional LED light modules in front for parking and turn signals
- Tail lights and high-level third brake light in LED
- Dynamic Cornering Lights
- Automatic extending rear spoiler
- Two-plus two coupe
- Automatically extending / retracting rear spoiler
- Water-repellent coating on front side windows
- Roof Transport System
- Aerokit Turbo
- Electrically operated glass roof, with electrically operated roller sun shield. Roof trim molding in polished aluminum
- Electric windows with one-touch operation and door-seal protection
- Electrically adjustable and heated exterior mirrors with double-arm attachment
- Welcome Home Lighting
- Integrated interior lighting concept in white with stepless dimming
- Remote central locking (includes luggage compartment)
- Power release buttons for luggage and engine compartments
- Preparation for isofix child-seat mounting with airbag deactivation on front passenger’s seat
- Driver and front passenger seats with electric backrest adjustment and manual seat cushion adjustment
- Integral head restraints on front seats
- 3-spoke sport steering wheel with manual height and reach adjustment
- Heated Seats
- Heated Steering Wheel
- Seat Ventilation
- Park Assist System
- 3-spoke PDK Sports Steering Wheel with Shift Paddles
- Integrated cluster of 5 round instruments
- Instrument cluster with central tachometer and dot-matrix display with multi-purpose field
- Analogue displays for engine speed, vehicle speed, oil pressure, oil temperature, coolant temperature and fuel level
- Automatic full climate control with integrated active-carbon filter
- Porsche Communication Management (PCM): Centralized information system, comprising 6.5 inch TFT color touchscreen, dual-tuner, CD-DVD drive with MP3 and audio DVD playing
- Telephone Module for PCM
- Wireless Receiver for Telephone Module
- XM Radio
- 6-Disc CD/DVD Changer
- Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone with Phone Holder
- Universal Audio Interface
- On-board computer with extended functionality
- BOSE® Surround Sound System
Porsche 911 Turbo - base price $132,800
|Wheel Caps with Colored Crest||Wheel Caps with full-color Porsche Crest.||$185|
|Rims and Caps - Exterior Color||Painted wheels and wheel centers with full-color Porsche crest.||$1,490|
|Wheels Painted Black||$1,815|
|Wheels Painted Basalt Black||$1,815|
|Wheels Painted Speed Yellow||$1,815|
|Adaptive Sports Seats with Driver Memory||Sport seats with electric adjustment for all seat functions, adjustable side bolsters, memory function for seat, and mirrors. Includes lumbar adjustment on driver side. Seatbacks in Volcano Grey.||$1,145|
|Sport Bucket Seats||Adjustable forward and backward only||$2,990|
|Natural/Special Leather||dark grey, red, brown||$1,510|
|Dynamic Cornering Lights||Headlights adjust dynamically based upon speed and turn angle.||$690|
|Delete Model Designation||$0|
|Park Assist System||Parking aid with four distance sensors integrated discreetly at rear of car||$530|
|Aerokit Turbo||Includes new front spoiler lip, new engine cover with rear spoiler and fixed wing profile. Paint finish in exterior color, including standard side skirts and standard lower part of rear apron. Note: substantially reduces entry angle to gradients||$6,950|
|Side Skirts in Painted in Exterior Color||$750|
|Rear Window Wiper||$360|
|Roof Transport System||165 lb. (75 kg) payload, can be used with all Porsche load carrier accessories.||$400|
|Spoiler Lip Painted||$640|
|Front Air Intakes Painted Exterior Color||$750|
|Front Air Intakes in Aluminum Look||$750|
|Wing Mirror in Aluminum Look||Aluminum Look paint finish (opaque) on wing mirror (lower part of shell).||$550|
|Wing Mirror in Aluminum Look||Lower part of wing mirror shell in aluminum look paint finish.||$550|
|Exterior Mirror Attachment Point Finishers Painted Exterior Color||Exterior mirror attachment point finishers painted in exterior color.||$500|
|Headlight Cleaner cover in Exterior Color||$295|
|Side Strips with Model Designation||Side strips with Turbologo, available in Guards Red, Speed Yellow, Black, Aluminum Look, Carrara White, Orange, Green, Dark Blue or Meteor Grey.||$775|
|Model Designation on Rear Lid in Exterior Color||$200|
|7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)||7 speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) double clutch transmission with manual steering wheel speedshift and automatic transmission.||$4,550|
|Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB)||Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) system. Carbon-fiber reinforced ceramic brake discs, internally ventilated and perforated, with yellow painted brake calipers.||$8,840|
|Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV)||Actively enhances the driving dynamics and stability by enabling variable distribution of engine torque to the rear wheels and mechanical limited-slip rear differential. Depending on the steering angle, steering speed, throttle pedal position, yaw velocity and vehicle speed, PTV optimizes steering response and precision by applying brake pressure to the left or right rear wheel as required.||$1,320|
|Sport Chrono Package Turbo Including Dynamic Engine Mounting||Analog and digital chronometer, sport button in the center console and display in the PCM, also adds ability to adjust lighting, wipers, AC and door locking to suit personal preference. Additionally, adds dynamic engine mounting. In conjunction with PDK, includes Sports Plus button in center console to activate launch control function (Race start). Note: In conjunction with PDK, price is $3830.||$3,470|
|Heated Seats||Multi-stage heating system for front seats.||$510|
|Seat Ventilation||Seat ventilation for both front seats.||$800|
|Heated Steering Wheel||Heated steering wheel rim with control of heated seats via a button on the steering wheel.||$210|
|Fire Extinguisher||DIN EN3-compliant powder-based system containing 1 kg of extinguishant. Stows neatly beneath driver’s seat.||$140|
|Floor Mats in Interior Color||$150|
|Air Vent Slats Painted in Exterior Color||Paint finish in exterior color on side air vent slats and central air vent slats. Smooth leather finish in interior color on side air vents, central air vent including switch trim.||$1,010|
|Switch Panel Package Painted Exterior Color||Side air vents central air vents including switch trim. Leather finish interior color: defroster trim, side air vent slats, central air vent slats.||$2,030|
|Door Finishers Painted in Exterior Color||Paint finish in exterior color on front of door handle and door opener trim. This option is recommended in conjunction in option CDR-Belt Outlet on B-Pillar Painted in Exterior Color.||$900|
|Door Opener Painted in Exterior Color||$550|
|Instrument Surround Painted in Exterior Color||$440|
|Instrument dials in Sand Beige||Paint finish in Sand Beige||$860|
|Instrument dials in Guards Red||Paint finish in Guards Red.||$860|
|Instrument dials in Speed Yellow||Paint finish in Speed Yellow.||$860|
|Instrument dials in Carrara White||Paint finish in Carrara White.||$860|
|Sport Chrono Timer Display Painted Sand Beige||$500|
|Sport Chrono Timer Display Painted Guards Red||$500|
|Sport Chrono Timer Display Painted Speed Yellow||$500|
|Sport Chrono Timer Display Painted Carrara White||$500|
|Trim Strip Painted in Exterior Color||$520|
|PCM Package Painted||Paint finish in exterior color on PCM trim, climate control trim, lower switch trim, lower storage bin||$2,225|
|PDK Gear Selector Gate Surround Painted in Exterior Color||$390|
|Gear Lever Trim in Exterior Color||Paint finish in exterior color on decorative trim on gear lever/selector.||$295|
|Rear Center Console in Exterior Color||Paint finish in exterior color on rear section of center console, including ashtray cover and storage tray rear on section of center console. Leather finish in interior color on handbrake lever recess trim.||$730|
|Rear Section of Center Console Painted in Deviating Color||Paint finish in exterior color on rear section of center console including ashtray cover and storage tray in rear section of center console. Smooth leather finish in interior color on handbrake lever recess trim. Note: Rear section of center console with paint finish in matching exterior color is only available as option XME.||$1,130|
|Belt Outlets on B-pillars Painted in Exterior Color||Belt outlets on B-pillars in paint finish in exterior color.||$200|
|Sport Seat Backs Painted in Exterior Color||$1,580|
|Sport Bucket Seat Belt Passage Painted||$655|
|Seat Belts in Silver||Full set of belts for front and rear.||$540|
|Seat belts in Sand Beige||Full set of belts for front and rear.||$540|
|Seat Belts in Guards Red||Full set of belts for front and rear.||$540|
|Seat Belts in Speed Yellow||Full set of belts for front and rear.||$540|
|Rear Footwell Lighting||Additional lights in rear footwell (left/right).||$415|
|LED Door Storage Pocket Lighting||LED lighting in door storage bin (left/right).||$355|
|Switch Panel Package Painted Black||Side air vents and central air vents including switch trim pained black. Leather finish interior color on defroster trim, side air vent slats and central air vent slats.||$2,030|
|Door Finishers Painted Black||Paint finish in Black on front of door handle and door opener trim. Note: recommended in conjunction with belt-outlet B-pillars painted Black.||$900|
|PCM Package in Black||PCM trim, climate control trim, lower switch trim, and lower storage bin in black paint finish.||$2,225|
|Door Opener Painted Black||$550|
|Instrument Surround Painted Black||$440|
|Trim Strip Painted Black||Paint finish in Black on trim strip switch panel including cupholder trim (five-part).||$520|
|Air Vent Slats Painted Black||Paint finish in Black on side air vent slats and central air vent slats. Smooth leather finish in interior color on side air vents and central air vent including switch trim.||$1,010|
|PDK Gear Selector Gate Surround in Black||$390|
|Gear Lever/Selector Trim Painted Black||$295|
|Rear Center Console Painted Black||Paint finish in Black on rear section of center console, including ashtray cover, and storage tray on rear section of center console. Smooth leather finish in interior color on handbrake lever recess trim.||$1,130|
|Belt Outlets on B-Pillars Painted Black||$200|
|Sport Bucket Seat Belt Passage in Black||$655|
|Supple Leather Front and Rear||Soft ruffled leather on front and rear seat centers.||$470|
|Two-tone Leather Interior||This option is required when a Two-tone Leather interior (BM, BK, BP) is ordered.||$0|
|Leather Interior Natural Leather||Leather specially dyed to retain natural characteristics. Available in Natural Brown or Dark Grey. Same features as leather interior in standard color.||$0|
|3-Spoke Multifunction Steering Wheel in Smooth Leather||Three spoke multifunction steering wheel with smooth leather finish in interior color and steering wheel rim with cross-stitched seam.||$0|
|3-spoke PDK Sports Steering Wheel with Shift Paddles||The shift function and shift characteristics of the paddles have been largely adopted from the Porsche RS Spyder. The right-hand paddle is embossed with “+” for upshifting and the left-hand one with “-” for downshifting. The high-quality shift paddles are made from die-cast zinc . The shift paddles are sickleshaped and jut up above the steering wheel spokes. This long shape makes it possible to ensure manual gear changes across a wide range of steering wheel positions.||$490|
|Interior Leather Package||Smooth leather in interior color on instrument surround, side air vents and slats, central air vent including switch trim and slats, and cover of door opener.||$2,170|
|Instrument Surround in Leather||Instrument surround in leather finish in interior color.||$440|
|Door Finishers in Leather||Door opener trim in leather finish in interior color.||$360|
|Steering Column in Leather||Steering column casing (three-part) in smooth leather finish in interior color.||$420|
|A-pillar Leather Interior Package||Switch panel end trim, ignition lock surround, and mirror attachment point finishers in smooth leather finish in interior color. Includes decorative stitching where appropriate.||$740|
|Door and Rear Loudspeaker Finishers in Leather||Rear loudspeaker finishers, door panel trim, mid-range loudspeaker finishers, and bass loudspeaker finishers in smooth leather finish in interior color. Includes decorative stitching where appropriate.||$2,570|
|Defroster Trim in Leather||Defroster trim and loudspeaker finisher on switch panel in smooth leather finish in interior color, including decorative stitching where appropriate.||$535|
|Defroster Air Vents in Leather||Smooth leather finish in interior color on defroster air vents. Soft touch paint finish in interior color on defroster air vent slats.||$365|
|Interior Package B Pillar in Leather||Leather finish interior color on belt outlet on B pillar, belt height adjustment trim on B pillars, clothes hook on B pillars, and clothes hook on seat backrest. Includes decorative stitching where appropriate.||$965|
|Interior Package C Pillar in Leather||Leather finish in interior color on belt outlet on C pillars, rear air vent, luggage stop on rear backrests, and release lever on rear seat backrest, including base plate. Includes decorative stitching where appropriate.||$1,035|
|Rooflining in Leather||Rooflining in leather in interior color.||$1,180|
|Sun Visors in Leather||Sun visors and vanity mirror covers in leather in interior color.||$560|
|Dome Lamp Cover in Leather||Interior light cover in smooth leather finish in interior color.||$335|
|Rear View Mirror in Leather||Rear view mirror frame, rear view mirror casing, and rear view mirror mounting in smooth leather finish in interior color.||$675|
|PCM Package Leather||Smooth leather finish in interior color on PCM trim, climate control trim, lower switch trim, lower storage bin.||$2,225|
|Dashboard Trim Strip in Leather||Dashboard trim strip, including cupholder trim, in smooth leather finish in interior color.||$605|
|Gear Lever Trim in Leather||$260|
|PDK Gear Selector Gate Surround in Leather||$390|
|Rear Center Console in Leather||Rear section of center console including ashtray cover, storage tray rear section of center console, handbrake lever recess trim in smooth leather finish in interior color.||$1,260|
|Porsche Crest on Center Console Storage Bin Lid||$330|
|Turbo Logo on Center Console Storage Bin Lid||$330|
|Sport Seat Backs in Leather||Rear of backrests in smooth leather in interior color.||$1,870|
|Clothes Hook on Seat Backrest in Leather||$250|
|Porsche Crest in Headrests||Head restraints on front seats embossed with Porsche crest.||$285|
|Seat Belt Buckles in Leather||Seat belt buckles featuring smooth leather finish in interior color, including decorative stitching where appropriate.||$760|
|Belt Outlet on B-Pillar in Leather||Smooth leather finish in interior color on belt outlet on B-pillars.||$215|
|Rear Seat Backrest Lever in Leather||Rear seat backrest release lever, including baseplate, in smooth leather finish in interior color. Note: for Coupe models this part is contained in interior package C-pillar leather (option code DAC). Available from approximately 12/2009.||$310|
|Luggage Stop on Rear Seat Backrest in Leather||Luggage stop on rear seat backrest with smooth leather finish in interior color including decorative stitching.||$275|
|Bose Subwoofer Outlets in Leather||$225|
|Fuse Box Cover in Leather||Smooth leather finish in interior color on fuse box cover. Includes decorative stitching where appropriate.||$165|
|Inner Sill Finishers in Leather||Inner sill finishers in leather in interior color.||$585|
|Floor Mats with Leather Surround||Inner sill finishers in leather in interior color.||$425|
|Floor Mats With Colored Trim||Set of four floor mats. Carpet in Black, Ocean Blue, Stone Grey, Sand Beige, Carrera Red, Terracotta, Cocoa or Natural Brown. Smooth leather surround, including double stitching.||$580|
|Key Pouch in Interior Color Leather||In smooth leather in interior color with embossed Porsche crest and decorative seam.||$95|
|3-Spoke Multifunction Steering Wheel-Aluminum Look for PDK||Steering wheel rim and steering wheel hub cover with smooth leather finish and inserts with aluminum look paint finish.||$365|
|Interior Aluminum Look Package||Aluminum look paint finish on side air vents, central air vents including switch trim, instrument surround, front door handle, lid of door storage bin including lid extension on door storage bin, and door opener trim. Smooth leather finish in interior color on side air vent slats, and central air vent slats.||$2,870|
|Instrument Surround in Aluminum Look||$440|
|Air Vent Slats in Aluminum Look||Aluminum look paint finish on side air vent slats and central air vent slats. Smooth leather finish in interior color on side air vents, central air vent including switch trim.||$1,010|
|Gear Lever and Handbrake Lever in Aluminum Look||Gear lever and handbrake lever (partially) in Aluminum. Smooth leather finish in interior color on inlays in gear lever and handbrake finisher (upper section). Aluminum Look paint finish on handbrake finisher (lower section).||$1,075|
|Gear Lever and Handbrake Lever in Aluminum with Customization||Gear lever and handbrake lever in aluminum. Leather finish in color to sample (matching interior) and/or stitching in deviating color (matching other deviating stitching). Only available with Leather Interior to Sample or Deviating Stitching.||$2,390|
|Gear Lever and Handbrake Lever in Aluminum||Inlay in handbrake lever and part of gear lever, including milled-in shift pattern, in aluminum. Handbrake lever and upper section of handbrake finisher in smooth leather finish in interior color. Lower section of handbrake finisher in aluminum look paint finish. Note: leather parts in black when in combination with leather in color to sample.||$1,555|
|Gear Lever and Handbrake Lever Aluminum/Leather||Gear lever and handbrake in leather and aluminum. Valid only with interior to sample or when ordering deviating stitching.||$2,130|
|PDK Gear Selector and Handbrake Lever in Aluminum||PDK gear selector and handbrake lever in aluminum. Upper section of handbrake finisher and inlays in PDK gear selector in smooth leather finish in interior color. Lower section of handbrake finisher in aluminum look paint finish. Note: leather pieces in black smooth leather finish when in conjunction with leather in color to sample.||$1,075|
|Customization Package-PDK Gear Selector and Handbrake Lever||For use only in conjunction with Leather in Color to Sample and/or Deviating stitching. PDK Gear selector, PDK gear selector gate surround, and upper section of handbrake finisher in smooth leather in interior color. Handbrake lever in aluminum. Lower section of handbrake finisher in aluminum look.||$2,390|
|Handbrake Lever in Aluminum II||Inlay in handbrake lever in aluminum with Porsche logo. Handbrake lever and upper section of handbrake finisher in smooth leather finish in interior color including decorative stitching. Lower section of handbrake finisher in aluminum look paint finish. Note: Only available with stitching in deviating color.||$775|
|Handbrake Lever in Aluminum||Handbrake lever inlay in aluminum look. Handbrake lever and upper section of handbrake finisher in smooth leather finish in interior color. Lower section of handbrake finisher in aluminum look paint finish. Note: leather parts in Black when in conjunction with leather in color to sample.||$775|
|PCM Package in Aluminum Look||PCM trim, climate control trim, lower switch trim, and lower storage bin in aluminum look paint finish.||$2,225|
|PDK Gear Selector Gate Surround in Aluminum Look||$390|
|Rear Center Console in Aluminum Look||Rear section of center console including ashtray cover storage tray rear section of center console in aluminum look painted finish. Handbrake lever recess trim in leather finish in interior color.||$730|
|B-Pillar Belt Outlets in Aluminum Look||$200|
|Sports Bucket Seat Belt Passage Aluminum Look||$655|
|Door Entry Guards in Stainless Steel||Door entry guards in stainless steel with Turbo logo.||$415|
|Outer Door-sill Guards in Stainless Steel, Illuminated||Outer door-sill guards in stainless steel with GT3 logo, illuminated in white.||$845|
|Footrest in Aluminum||Driver’s side foot rest in aluminum and rubber.||$250|
|Makassar Package||Dashboard trim strip, gear lever/PDK gear selector, handbrake lever grip in Dark Makassar wood finish.||$890|
|Multifunction Steering Wheel in Makassar||Three spoke multifunction steering wheel with Makassar inlay and smooth leather finish steering wheel.||$365|
|Interior Makassar Package||Dark Makassar Matt Silk Finish on side air vents, central air vent, front side door handle, lid door storage bin including lid extension on door storage bin, and door opener trim. Smooth leather finish in interior color on side air vent slats, and central air vent slats, including switch trim.||$4,830|
|Rear Center Console Makassar||Dark makassar finish on rear section of center console, including ashtray cover and storage tray on rear section of center console. Leather finish in interior color on handbrake lever recess trim.||$1,625|
|Belt Outlets on B Pillars in Makassar||$450|
|Carbon Package||Dashboard trim strip, gear lever/Tiptronic gear selector, handbrake lever grip in carbon fiber finish.||$1,040|
|3-Spoke Multifunction Steering Wheel in Carbon||Three spoke multifunction steering wheel - smooth leather finish on steering wheel rim with carbon inlay.||$365|
|Interior Carbon Package||Carbon finish on side air vents, central air vent, front side door handles, lid of door storage bin including lid extension on door storage bin, and door opener trim. Smooth leather finish in interior color on side air vent slats, and central air vent slats, including switch trim.||$4,830|
|Rear Center Console Carbon||Rear section of center console including ashtray cover, storage tray rear section of center console in carbon finish. Handbrake lever recess trim in leather finish in interior color.||$1,625|
|Belt Outlets on B Pillars in Carbon||$450|
|Door Entry Guards in Carbon||Door entry guards in carbon with Turbo logo.||$780|
|Door Entry Guards in Carbon, Illuminated||$1,365|
|Steering Wheel in Alcantara||Trim strip in Alcantara including cup holder||$1,105|
|Trim Strip Switch Panel in Alcantara||Thicker steering wheel rim in Alcantara black with cross-stitched seam. Airbag module is not in Alcantara.||$775|
|Gear and Handbrake Lever in Alcantara||Alcantara finish in black with decorative stitching where appropriate on gear lever, handbrake lever, and handbrake finisher. Decorative trim on shift pattern including middle shift pattern and inlay in handbrake lever with Porsche Logo in aluminum. Aluminum look paint finish on handbrake finisher.||$1,880|
|PDK Gear Selector and Handbrake Lever in Alcantara||PDK gear selector, handbrake lever, and handbrake finisher with Alcantara finish in Black, including decorative stitching where appropriate. Inlay in handbrake lever in Aluminum with Porsche logo. Handrake finisher in Aluminum Look paint finish.||$1,880|
|Lid of Storage Bin in Alcantara with Porsche Logo||$490|
|Universal Audio Interface||Includes connections for three audio source types - IPod, USB for memory stick with MP3 files, and auxiliary interface for other source. IPod and USB interfaces include operation via PCM.||$440|
|Bluetooth Interface for Mobile Phone||Bluetooth Interface for hands free mobile phone use. Operation of basic phone functions on PCM or multi-function steering wheel (if applicable).||$695|
|6-Disc CD/DVD Changer||Integrated in PCM. Includes ability to play MP3 music files and Audio DVDs.||$650|
|PCM Voice Control||Voice activation for navigation, telephone, and stereo functions. Available for customer specified orders only.||$595|
|Electronic Logbook||Enables automatic acquisition of mileage, driving distance, date, time and address of starting point and destination at every trip including PC- software for data download and evaluation.||$650|
|XM Radio||Allows reception of XM Satellite Radio and XM NavTraffic (for vehicles equipped with Navigation). Complimentary 3-month service included - after 3 months, subscription is required. Note: XM service is not available in Alaska or Hawaii.||$750|
Competitors and press reviews
"The first turn comes up fast. Little worry, as the American Le Mans Series veteran behind the wheel tosses the Turbo into the corner with a slight twitch. With its AWD system shredding the street tires, the Turbo maintains a slight oversteer approach as we fly past the apex. The power goes down hard and the PDK cracks off another gear as we exit the turn. We repeat the maneuver several more times before we round the corner to the straight. With a clean exit, the driver holds the pedal to the carpeted floor and lets the powertrain work its magic. In no time at all, the speedometer reads 262 km/h (162 mph). We start wondering why we left our helmets back in the garage." (AutoBlog)
"The PDK transmission works like magic. Every upshift was so quick it never upset the car — even midcorner on giant Parabolica Ayrton Senna (about 300-foot radius) when all four tires were howling at about 90 mph. Nearly imperceptible, automatic rev-matching downshifts came at the right time. We love the real shift paddles and the bespoke steering wheel, but it turns out you don’t really need them. Like the Nissan GT-R, the 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo is faster in Drive. Only after an entire day of pushing the car to its limits did the front tires (not the rears) begin to influence the behavior of the car when it began to exhibit very mild understeer." (InsideLine)
"The elaborate dry-sump-lubrication system, with its external tank, has also been changed to the standard 911 design with an integrated oil reservoir at the bottom of the engine, although separated from the crankcase. However, in the Turbo’s case, six—rather than four—oil-scavenge pumps are used to return oil to this reservoir because the two turbochargers each require a dedicated oil return." (CarAndDriver)
"So what’s it like? Mind blowing and brilliant. Revised springs and dampers, and clever changes to the 4x4, have boosted agility and responsiveness; this 911 feels like a good (and light) rear-driver at times, so sharp is its turn-in, so instant is its response to your instructions. Cornering behavior can be beautifully tuned by throttle response — there is no evidence of any meaningful turbo lag — further boosting entertainment value. Yet when you’re on full power, you can still feel that tidal wave of turbo boost, as the brawniest 911 erupts." (MotorTrend)
The Aston Martin DB9 is powered by a revised version of Aston Martin’s 6.0 litre V12 engine that delivers a total of 470bhp at 6,000rpm and a peak torque of 600Nmat 5,000rpm. It makes the sprint from 0 to 60 mph in 4,6 seconds and top speed goes up to 190 mph. The DB9 Coupe is priced at $186,450.
The R8 V10 is powered by a 5.2 liter V10 rated at 525 HP and 391 lbs.ft. of torque. It is offered with a choice of two distinct gearboxes, manual and R tronic, with prices starting at $146,000. The R8 V10 can accelerate from 0 to 60 MPH in under 3.9 and can hit a top speed of 197 MPH.
The Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 is powered by the new 5.2 litre V10 engine with an output of 560 hp at 8000 rpm. It accelerates from 0-60 mph in 3.7 seconds, its speed at 11.8 seconds is 124 mph and its top speed lies at 201 mph. The Gallardo Lp560-4 is priced at $198,000.
It’s fast, it’s sporty,it’s turbo, it’s a Porsche! Dow we need to say more? Lets see! It is powered by the most powerful engine Porsche has ever offered in a 911 model; it sprints from 0 to 60 mph in 3,4 seconds and you can go beyond the 190 mph mark (if you have the courage of course).
Beside that the 911 Turbo comes with a very long list of options, so you can customize it to have an exclusive car. A car that will make everyone turn their head. So, go to a dealer and ask to see one. You shall see we were right about it!